Dealing With HUM

 HUM   A low tone caused by AC currents (60 Hz in the USA)
SOUNDS LIKE    “mmmmm”, a low tone, a bit sharp of Bb

 


2015 LogoBlueRGB-68-168-203 WEBw500onBLKGuitar Noise Manual    by PedalSnake®

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Jody Strat 2 Crop 200Jody Page, PedalSnake’s inventor and lifelong pro guitarist, is an electrical engineer (a member of NASA’s Space Foundation Hall of Fame, no less) with special training in electrical noise.  In the Guitar Noise Manual, Jody starts by breaking down guitar rig noise into 6 types:

1)  BUZZ   2)  HUM   3)  HISS   4)  DIGITAL NOISE (WHINE)     5)  POWER SUPPLY NOISE   6)  CABLE MICROPHONICS

For each noise, Jody explains its causes, then offers a targeted set of solutions.  Also included are several helpful articles on general best-practices for noise reduction.

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Dealing With HUM

Contents

 

Before We Start…

So What’s the Deal with HUM?

How is the HUM Getting Into Your Rig?

If it DOES (go away when you turn your guitar down)

EMI

Sniffing it Out

Humbucking

If it DOES NOT (go away when your turn the guitar down)

A ground loop in your rig

Use the same AC phase

Signal isolation

Power supply isolation

Noisy Power Supplies

HUMmy Amp

If none of the solutions above help with the HUM…


Before We Start…

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Guitar CableMake sure you have a good guitar cord 

By good, we mean “not broken”.  A simple jiggle test at both ends will usually tell you.  Then consider…

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DOD Clean Boost FX10

Boosting your guitar signal

Right away this can strike a lethal blow to any noise that might crop up.  Anyone and everyone should do it.  See Improving Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR).  With a hotter guitar signal, you can…

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volume-knob-11Reducing your gain

Gain is not free.  The more gain you have, from all pedals and amps, the more noise you will have.  Amps at 11 can give you that extra edge, but you may be just as happy (and quieter) at 9.

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So What’s the Deal With HUM?

 

Sine WaveLike BUZZ, HUM almost always comes from the AC power source (120VAC in the USA, at 60Hz).

Unlike BUZZ, there is nothing wrong with your power when you get HUM.  What you are hearing just the pure, smooth, 60 Hz voltage “sine wave” that the power company intended.  You will notice it is a bit sharp of Bb.

 

music-noteIn the case of leaky caps in an amp’s power supply, hum could be at a “rectified” 120 Hz, but it’s still a bit sharp of a Bb.

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HUM sounds different from BUZZ because it contains no high frequency component.  Rather than the “brrrrrrr” you get with BUZZ, HUM sounds like a smooth “mmmmm”…a low bass tone.

 

 

How is the HUM Getting Into Your Rig?

 

The first thing, as with any kind of noise, is to decide whether the HUM is:

 

conducted noise (comes through wires into your gear)

radiated noise (comes through the air into your ax pickups).

 

How do you decide?  The solution is easy:

 

 

Does it go away when you turn the ax down?

 

If it DOES (go away when you turn your guitar down):

 

EMI and RFI

 

If it does go away, the HUM is radiated through the air into your pickups.  (This is called EMI, or “electromagnetic interference”).

 

Radio TowerWhen radiated through the air, EMI can also be called RFI (Radio Frequency Interference).

Now you may say at this point “radio frequencies are pretty high, right?…like kilohertz and megahertz and stuff”.

Well yes, they usually are.  But as we shall see below, this RFI can get into your pickups at the AC power frequency…which is only 60 Hz!

 

To be sure, the higher the frequency, the better its ability to induce voltage into antennas (like the coils in your pickups).  But low frequency AC can involve so much current, especially in the power transformers of tube amps, the magnetic fields are so strong they can act like a radio transmitter.

 

Sniffing it Out

You may be using single coil pickups and standing too close to a power transformer in an amp, or some other “HUM source”.  You can “sniff out” these kinds of sources.

 

Turn your amp and ax all the way up, and walk around, holding the pickups up near different suspected sources of HUM (this works best with single coils, not humbuckers).

For example, hold the ax up close to where the power cable goes into the back of a tube amp (the power transformer is here), and you will hear it.

Or, if you can, just move away from the noise source.  If you can’t, read on.

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Humbucking

HumbuckerWhether it be HUM or BUZZ, humbucker pickups generally solve most any type of radiated noise problem.  These are almost essential for high-gain playing.

If you prefer single coils, you can make a “humbucker” out of 2 single coil pickups.  All you need is one reverse-polarity pickup.

When a normal pickup is combined with a rev-pol pickup, hum is canceled (this is how a humbucker pickup works, it has 2 coils of reverse-polarity).

StratIn an ax with 3 single coil pickups, like a Strat, if it is not already there, you can install a reverse-polarity pickup in the middle position.  Then positions 2 and 4 (on the 5-way switch) will combine the rev-pol pickup with a normal one, and cancel noise.

Newer Strats should already have this feature.  Older Strats did not.

 

If it DOES NOT (go away when your turn the guitar down)

 

Then the HUM is not radiated through the air into your pickups.  It is conducted noise, which finds its way into your rig thru the wiring.  In this case, HUM may be caused by one or more of these:

 

A ground loop in your rig

 

“Ground loop” is an overused term.  Just about any time there is noise, somebody is going to say it is a “ground loop”.

But, if you have HUM, and it does not go away when the ax is turned down, then it may be an AC ground loop. In all other types of noise (buzz, hiss, etc.), a ground loop is almost never the cause.

To shut down ground loops, try the following tricks:

 

Use the same AC phase

 

The quick solution to reduce the effect of ground loops is to make sure all of your amps, power supplies for pedals, and any other audio gear that requires AC power, are on the same 120VAC phase (of the 240VAC).

surge-protectorWith your personal rig, you can easily ensure this by plugging it all into the same AC power outlet.

It is also a good practice for all the band’s audio gear onstage to be on the same 120VAC phase (of the 240VAC).  This only applies if there are connections between gear, like an amp going direct into a mixer onstage.

When on the same phase, any spurious AC ground voltages induced into the gear (there are always some) are in the same phase (we won’t explain, but trust us, this helps).

If you have a HUM problem, ways to make sure all gear is put on the same AC phase is to:

 

Plug it all into the same AC outlet (this is the easiest way).  Audio does not require huge amounts of power.  A 15A breaker will handle 1800 watts (do not try this if you play with Van Halen, the Rolling Stones, etc.)

If the same outlet is not feasible, plug all gear into the same circuit breaker.  If you can find the breaker panel, you can experiment to find out which outlets are on the same breaker.  If the same breaker is not feasible…

Plug all gear into outlets on the same AC phase.  Breakers on the same phase will be on the same side of the breaker panel.

Lighting and other stuff can go on another breaker, or the other AC phase.

 

If you do all of this, and still have HUM, you will have to troubleshoot.  Start by isolating certain things.

 

How?

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Signal isolation

 

If you use stereo amps, and have any hum at all, then the signal cable(s) to one amp should go through a signal isolation transformer.  EbTech makes a good one called the HE2.

 

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If you have 3 amps, then isolate 2 of them.  (You can always leave one amp un-isolated.)

This goes for any devices powered by AC that have signals running between them.  This is more important with gear that draws a lot of current, like tube amps (it takes a lot of juice to make tubes glow!), because the power transformers carry more current, and thus induce more voltage into the grounded metal chassis.

These ground voltages may be tiny, but it doesn’t take much for AC ground currents to flow between devices.

When connected together, preamps or signal processing gear are usually not a problem.  Their transformers are small, and carry much less current.  So their metal chassis stay relatively voltage free.

But if they connect to a higher powered device, ground currents could still become a problem.  For this reason, a few preamp devices will have signal isolation transformers built in.  Even more will have isolated transformers for power supplies that plug into the wall to power them.

This leads us to…

 

Power supply isolation

 

Transformer Isolation PowerYou may need to isolate some power supplies.

Even if you isolate signal to stereo amps, you may have pedals that connect to different amps, but are powered by one power supply.  This can cause ground loop current to flow.

 

Ground Loop Power Chain

Break the loop by using two separate isolated power supplies.

Ground Loop Power Chain FIXED

The same isolation of power supplies can apply to an effects loop…even though the cables connect to the same amp…on the same metal chassis!

isolate-2-power-chainsPowerful power transformers in tube amps can induce AC currents into the grounded metal chassis.  Connecting between different points on the chassis can cause ground loop currents to flow through that connection, and induce HUM into your sound.

So, if you have an effects loop and have HUM, try isolating the power between the two pedal chains.  Power the pedals that go to the amp input on one isolated power supply.  Power pedals that go to the effects loop on another.

power-supply-tech21-dc-onblackThis is actually a good practice in general.  Even if HUM is not annoying, isolating power chains can reduce what little HUM there is.

Standard wall warts make fine isolation tools, as long as they are true isolated Class 2 Transformers.  Most of the good ones are, like those from Boss, Dunlop, etc.

 

This leads us to…

 

Noisy power supplies

 

Not all power supply noise is the same.  It depends upon the circuits in the supply.  A noisy supply will most often HUM, but it can also cause BUZZ, HISS, or WHINE (like digital noise).

A noisy power supply can be caused by 4 things:

 

  • A power supply not designed to be quiet for audio.
  • A damaged power supply.
  • An overloaded power supply.
  • A power supply too close to a pedal.

 

For more, see our article Dealing With POWER SUPPLY NOISE.

 

 

Hummy Amp

 

Old AmpOf course, an amp may HUM on its own.  And it’s not because it doesn’t know the words.

You can tell by unplugging everything from the amp.  If you still hear HUM, well there you go.

music-noteThis is usually a leaky cap in the power supply.  In this case, the HUM would be heard as 120 Hz (the rectified version of 60 Hz.)  This is a little sharp of Bb (the lowest Bb on a guitar.)

Old amps sometimes need recapping to fix hum.  Or a cheaper amp may have cheap caps.  Or there could be another problem.  Some new tubes may be needed.

Either way, some kind of repair or a better amp is what you need.

 

 

If none of the solutions above help with the HUM…

 

…then you may have some gear in need of repair.  Troubleshoot until you find out which gear is the culprit (it is usually the amp).

If you can unplug all the guitar cables from the amp, turn the amp volume up, and the HUM is still loud enough to be annoying, then haul that amp down to the nearest repair shop.

Or you may just need a better amp.  We all plan to get one someday, right?

 

For more, see:

 

Dealing with BUZZ

Improving Signal-to-Noise Ratio

Pedal Rig Tips

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Author: Jody Page

The president of PedalSnake and a member of NASA's Space Foundation Hall of Fame, Jody is a lifelong pro guitarist and electrical engineer with special training in noise reduction. He has spent years in the trenches searching for better tone and better ways for guitarists to approach their craft. His passion is dispelling myths and hype in the guitar industry that seek to exploit our pocketbooks, as well as making entertaining observations about other music-related topics.

2 thoughts on “Dealing With HUM”

  1. I *used to pre covid* do audio in some bigger venues and currently am an EE student. I have 3 noise issues in my personal life:

    1) The guitar player in my band has a two amp setup. He uses an isolated supply and a trutone ab switch. There is not any ground loop issue per se. But one of the amps an orange or-15 has some weird noise. We have to turn off all cell phones. It has random intermittent digital chirping and cascading fuzzy sounds when we record out of the head. Similar to old dial up connection. Its a bit more aggressive than most noise and definitely ruins tracks. I believe maybe there is something wrong with the input ground or filtering within the amp?

    2) I have a pair of HS50’s in my living room by the tv. I live in an apartment building from the 80s. I never noticed any noise before. One day my roommate took the set up down cuz the repairman had to do something. After that there has been noise in the monitors when turned on. like 2-4kHz digital chirping sounds fast and random. The gain on the monitors has no effect on the noise and it is present without anything pugged into the monitors other than power. It seems to be worse at night, but that might just be a noise floor psychology thing. Only solution I found was moving the monitors 4 feet away from the wall which is not practical. Some coworkers suggested taking them apart and shielding the inside with copper tape. I am a little apprehensive as I am still new to discharging caps and don’t want to damage the speakers or hurt myself. Maybe there is something else to try. I’ve also experimented with ferric chokes to no success, though I suspect that is only for radio gear.

    3) My dad just bought a single valve blackstar something amp. I think one of the new ones. He called me. It was hard to tell if buzz or hum over the phone. Sounded maybe more like the hum. People online say “all amps have buzz” or “single valves are noisy”. His guitar volume does not effect it, neither does rotating around. It does not buzz with no cable plugged in, but all 4 guitars and/or any cable plugged in creates a buzz. This again is in a living room. There is recessed lighting on a dimmer that could be on the same circuit or leg. He has expressed having issues with power and lighting being wired incorrectly in that house which was built 5 years ago. I assume it is “dirty” power. Would an isolation transformer fix that?

    Quick isolation transformer questions: where in the studio chain would one go? I am thinking about getting one for our practice studio because we will be recording. Just in case. I have a Furman PST 8. Would I plug the furman into that and have everything go to the furman. Or plug the transformer into the furman and use the transformer for specific things.

    I have experienced the case where pulling the ground pin from IEC “fixes” noise in amps. Is that an indication that and isolation transformer can fix the issue.
    Does an isolation transformer remove the circuit from ground, but at the same time remove the protection a ground affords?

    1. 1) Does the amp have any digital features, like effects or presets of any kind? Does he use any digital pedals? Since you say cell phones are a problem, this means hi-frequency radio frequencies (RF) are getting in somewhere (most all electronic gear emits some, esp digital stuff). The head SHOULD BE 99% immune to this (unless damaged), but pedals, or damaged cables, may not be. The best troubleshooting practice is to start with nothing but guitar and amp. If the noise is still there, then replace a) the guitar, then b) the cable. Always try changing or adding one thing at a time. If pedals are involved, start adding one at a time. Of course, keep the cell phones on during this process. This is an iterative process, so just keep going until you have ID’d the problem source. But, I will add, if you have a cell phone in your pocket, and you are playing a single coil ax, RF may get in because the source (phone) is SO CLOSE to the pickups. I have this problem with my Strat.
      2) This sounds similar to 1. Because you can move the monitors away from the wall, you have RF interference in the wall somewhere (or just on the other side of the wall). The repairman (or neighbor) must have added a cable (or device) emitting some fairly powerful hi-freq RF. The monitor shielding probably would help this. but it should be grounded somehow. They are powered monitors, right?, so there should be a ground somewhere in there to tie the shield to. If this doesn’t work well enough, you either have to deal with the RF source in the wall, or move the monitors. (BTW, ferric chokes are more for conducted noise (thru cables), not radiated RF noise thru the air.)
      3) I would not say all amps have “buzz”, but there is no such thing as a “0 noise” amp. It is just some amps are quieter than others. And I have never heard 1-tube amps are noisy. It seems it would be the opposite, but I am not a tube amp expert. But … Wow … Another radiated noise problem?!! It seems the cable is acting as the antenna, but this could possibly be some problem with the amp, like grounding, or bad preamp tube. Does moving the cable around effect the noise? It should a bit. His theory of dirty power is probably right too, as that does produce RF. Experiment with how the light dimmers affect the noise.

      Sorry, I wish I could be more help. Let us know what you learn.

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